AGM Minutes: 2011 - Revision history

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	===1. Clarify: Whether [MODIFIER] NOTHING breaks halt===		===1. Clarify: Whether [MODIFIER] NOTHING breaks halt===
	Proposer: Drac Seconder: Tea		Proposer: Drac

			Seconder: Tea

	Clarify this by changing the wording of the HALT call in the system calls page to:		Clarify this by changing the wording of the HALT call in the system calls page to:
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	===2. Proposal: Unify breaking HALT and interrupting casting rules.===		===2. Proposal: Unify breaking HALT and interrupting casting rules.===
	Proposer: Drac Seconder: Tea		Proposer: Drac

			Seconder: Tea

	The mechanics of what breaks HALT and what interrupts spell/miracle casting imply that they are the same: e.g. any call that is not NOTHING. However they have had separate clarifications noted on the website, leading to them possibly being interpreted differently. I propose explicitly unifying what breaks halt and what interupts spell/miracle casting to whichever outcome is voted on in the "Clarify: Whether [MODIFIER] NOTHING breaks halt" motion above.		The mechanics of what breaks HALT and what interrupts spell/miracle casting imply that they are the same: e.g. any call that is not NOTHING. However they have had separate clarifications noted on the website, leading to them possibly being interpreted differently. I propose explicitly unifying what breaks halt and what interupts spell/miracle casting to whichever outcome is voted on in the "Clarify: Whether [MODIFIER] NOTHING breaks halt" motion above.
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	===3. Proposal: Unify armour physrep rules===		===3. Proposal: Unify armour physrep rules===
	Proposer: Dave P Seconder: Rowena		Proposer: Dave P

			Seconder: Rowena

	Change the armour physrep rules to unify so that specifically:		Change the armour physrep rules to unify so that specifically:
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	===4. Proposal: Brawling to become a General Skill===		===4. Proposal: Brawling to become a General Skill===
	Proposer: Rowena Paren Seconder: Chevron Begley		Proposer: Rowena Paren

			Seconder: Chevron Begley

	Brawling becomes a general skill with no prerequisites. It is by corollary removed as a skill from the Warrior and Subterfuge skill trees.		Brawling becomes a general skill with no prerequisites. It is by corollary removed as a skill from the Warrior and Subterfuge skill trees.
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	===5. Proposal: Introduce Brawling into the Wilderness tree, with the prereq of Weapon Competency I===		===5. Proposal: Introduce Brawling into the Wilderness tree, with the prereq of Weapon Competency I===
	Proposer: Locksmith Seconder: Porange		Proposer: Locksmith

			Seconder: Porange

	It makes no sense that Wilderness characters can't buy Brawling. Like Subterfuge and Warrior, it's a tree that grants combat skills, and both Subterfuge and Warrior get Brawling. If anything it makes more sense for Wilderness to have brawling - surely someone who's good at sneaking through trees should be good at using improvised weaponry? It doesn't break anything, and would make Wilderness more fun. Having to multiclass just in order to be able to punch someone when you can already hit people with a big stick seems silly.		It makes no sense that Wilderness characters can't buy Brawling. Like Subterfuge and Warrior, it's a tree that grants combat skills, and both Subterfuge and Warrior get Brawling. If anything it makes more sense for Wilderness to have brawling - surely someone who's good at sneaking through trees should be good at using improvised weaponry? It doesn't break anything, and would make Wilderness more fun. Having to multiclass just in order to be able to punch someone when you can already hit people with a big stick seems silly.
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	===6. Proposal: put buckler-use into the Subterfuge and Wilderness trees===		===6. Proposal: put buckler-use into the Subterfuge and Wilderness trees===
	Proposer: Canashir Seconder: Tea		Proposer: Canashir

			Seconder: Tea

	Details: define a buckler as any round shield up to 20” or shield of equivalent area.		Details: define a buckler as any round shield up to 20” or shield of equivalent area.
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	===7. Proposal: broaden Staff Use for Wilderness characters===		===7. Proposal: broaden Staff Use for Wilderness characters===
	Proposer: Andy Seconder: Tea		Proposer: Andy

			Seconder: Tea

	====a) Broaden "Staff" to "2H Weapon" in Weapon Competency 2====		====a) Broaden "Staff" to "2H Weapon" in Weapon Competency 2====
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	===8. Proposal: Replace DETECT DISEASE at FA 3 with RECOGNISE DISEASE===		===8. Proposal: Replace DETECT DISEASE at FA 3 with RECOGNISE DISEASE===
	Proposer: Locksmith Seconder: Chevron		Proposer: Locksmith

			Seconder: Chevron

	This is silly as it stands on the website. For one thing, every time I have ever seen this skill used in practice, it's been with the result that the person using the skill gets info about the disease in question - for all practical purposes the call is already REC DISEASE. For another thing, it implies that nobody else is ever able to tell that another character or NPC is ill, even if they're green, vomiting copiously and oozing gunk from the entirety of their face.		This is silly as it stands on the website. For one thing, every time I have ever seen this skill used in practice, it's been with the result that the person using the skill gets info about the disease in question - for all practical purposes the call is already REC DISEASE. For another thing, it implies that nobody else is ever able to tell that another character or NPC is ill, even if they're green, vomiting copiously and oozing gunk from the entirety of their face.
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	===9. Proposal: New Wilderness skill: Take Cover===		===9. Proposal: New Wilderness skill: Take Cover===
	Proposer: Locksmith Seconder: Canashir		Proposer: Locksmith

			Seconder: Canashir

	Why:		Why:
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	===10. Proposal: New Wilderness Skill: Surefootedness===		===10. Proposal: New Wilderness Skill: Surefootedness===
	Proposer: Locksmith Seconder: Canashir		Proposer: Locksmith

			Seconder: Canashir

	Why:		Why:
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	===13. Remove hit doubling===		===13. Remove hit doubling===
	Proposer: David ~~ProctorSeconder~~: Rowena Paren		Proposer: David Proctor

			Seconder: Rowena Paren

	Remove hit doubling on the torso and head. People start on 2/2, progress to 3/3 with the hit skills as usual. Frail people, elves, kender etc. start on 2/1 and progress to 3/2, etc.		Remove hit doubling on the torso and head. People start on 2/2, progress to 3/3 with the hit skills as usual. Frail people, elves, kender etc. start on 2/1 and progress to 3/2, etc.

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5) Election of ref team

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	Head Ref: Corin Jeffcock		Head Ref: Corin Jeffcock

	Other Refs: Tea Kew Andrew Mason (Michaelmas 2011, potentially later terms) Megan Williams (Michaelmas 2011, potentially later terms) Ellie Schlappa (Lent and Easter 2012 if in Cambridge)		Other Refs:
			*Tea Kew
			*Andrew Mason (Michaelmas 2011, potentially later terms)
			*Megan Williams (Michaelmas 2011, potentially later terms)
			*Ellie Schlappa (Lent and Easter 2012 if in Cambridge)

	There was a request for more volunteers to referee. Steph Leddington volunteered; the new ref team will need to be ratified at an EGM, which will be called later this term.		There was a request for more volunteers to referee. Steph Leddington volunteered; the new ref team will need to be ratified at an EGM, which will be called later this term.

Cryptophage: /* 4) Election of other committee members */

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4) Election of other committee members

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	The following were nominated at the AGM and elected for 2011/12:		The following were nominated at the AGM and elected for 2011/12:

	Banquet Minions: David Proctor and Rosemary Warner Safety Officer: David Proctor		*Banquet Minions: David Proctor and Rosemary Warner
			*Safety Officer: David Proctor

	==5) Election of ref team==		==5) Election of ref team==

Cryptophage at 19:39, 17 July 2016

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	There were no nominations before the AGM. The following were nominated at the AGM and elected for 2011/12:		There were no nominations before the AGM. The following were nominated at the AGM and elected for 2011/12:

	President: David Birch Secretary: Rowena Paren Treasurer: Megan Williams		*President: David Birch
			*Secretary: Rowena Paren
			*Treasurer: Megan Williams

	Keeper of the Vaults: Geoffrey Willoughby		Keeper of the Vaults: Geoffrey Willoughby

Cryptophage at 19:39, 17 July 2016

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	===11. Proposal: Wilderness Doubles===		===11. Proposal: Wilderness Doubles===
	Proposer: Tim Baker Seconder: Rowena Paren		Proposer: Tim Baker

			Seconder: Rowena Paren

	Weapon Expertise		Weapon Expertise
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	===12. Proposal: Brawling by Touch===		===12. Proposal: Brawling by Touch===
	Proposer: Andy Seconder: Tea		Proposer: Andy

			Seconder: Tea

	Change the OC mechanism for brawling from its current form (punches ending 6 inches from target) to "touch upper arm" subject to testing at a weapon practice, note that improvised weapons would not be affected by this.		Change the OC mechanism for brawling from its current form (punches ending 6 inches from target) to "touch upper arm" subject to testing at a weapon practice, note that improvised weapons would not be affected by this.
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	===13. Remove hit doubling===		===13. Remove hit doubling===
	Proposer: David ~~Proctor Seconder~~: Rowena Paren		Proposer: David ProctorSeconder: Rowena Paren

	Remove hit doubling on the torso and head. People start on 2/2, progress to 3/3 with the hit skills as usual. Frail people, elves, kender etc. start on 2/1 and progress to 3/2, etc.		Remove hit doubling on the torso and head. People start on 2/2, progress to 3/3 with the hit skills as usual. Frail people, elves, kender etc. start on 2/1 and progress to 3/2, etc.

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	This motion PASSED with 18 for, 5 against and 7 abstaining.		This motion PASSED with 18 for, 5 against and 7 abstaining.

	===		===5. Proposal: Introduce Brawling into the Wilderness tree, with the prereq of Weapon Competency I===
	5. Proposal: Introduce Brawling into the Wilderness tree, with the prereq of Weapon Competency I ===
	Proposer: Locksmith Seconder: Porange		Proposer: Locksmith Seconder: Porange

Cryptophage at 19:15, 17 July 2016

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Cryptophage: /* 1. Clarify: Whether [MODIFIER] NOTHING breaks halt */

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1. Clarify: Whether [MODIFIER] NOTHING breaks halt

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Cryptophage: /* 10. Proposal: New Wilderness Skill: Surefootedness */

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10. Proposal: New Wilderness Skill: Surefootedness

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	THROUGH.		THROUGH.

	a) SUBSIDIARY MOTION		====a) SUBSIDIARY MOTION====

	Should the above fail, vote on the same motion but with the ranks		Should the above fail, vote on the same motion but with the ranks
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	WIDE at rank 3.		WIDE at rank 3.

	b) SUBSIDIARY MOTION		====b) SUBSIDIARY MOTION====

	Should either of the above pass, vote on the following:		Should either of the above pass, vote on the following:

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	You must stop moving immediately, for N seconds. If an effect, or		''You must stop moving immediately, for N seconds. If an effect, or
	any damage call apart from NOTHING strikes you while you are under the		any damage call apart from NOTHING strikes you while you are under the
	effect, this effect is broken. This is very strict, so a RED NOTHING		effect, this effect is broken. This is very strict, so a RED NOTHING
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	This includes calls such as STRIKEDOWN or REPEL that may do no damage,		This includes calls such as STRIKEDOWN or REPEL that may do no damage,
	but are not NOTHING. {Rest of halt wording from You retain the		but are not NOTHING. {Rest of halt wording from You retain the
	ability.... onwards}		ability.... onwards}''

	Or		Or

	You must stop moving immediately, for N seconds. If an effect, or		''You must stop moving immediately, for N seconds. If an effect, or
	any damage call apart from [MODIFIER] NOTHING strikes you while you		any damage call apart from [MODIFIER] NOTHING strikes you while you
	are under the effect, this effect is broken. This is very strict, so a		are under the effect, this effect is broken. This is very strict, so a
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	HALF, which is not nothing). This includes calls such as STRIKEDOWN or		HALF, which is not nothing). This includes calls such as STRIKEDOWN or
	REPEL that may do no damage, but are not NOTHING. {Rest of halt		REPEL that may do no damage, but are not NOTHING. {Rest of halt
	wording from You retain the ability.... onwards}		wording from You retain the ability.... onwards}''

	Original text: You must stop moving immediately, for N seconds. If		Original text: ''You must stop moving immediately, for N seconds. If
	struck by any damage call apart from NOTHING, this effect is broken.		struck by any damage call apart from NOTHING, this effect is broken.
	You retain the ability to keep...		You retain the ability to keep...''

	This motion was discussed at length. A proposal was made to postpone		This motion was discussed at length. A proposal was made to postpone